If your church has been plateaued for six months, it might take six months to get it going again. If it's been plateaued a year, it might take a year. If it's been plateaued for 20 years, you've got to set in for the duration!Source.
I'm saying some people are going to have to die or leave. Moses had to wander around the desert for 40 years while God killed off a million people before he let them go into the Promised Land. That may be brutally blunt, but itÃs true. There may be people in your church who love God sincerely, but who will never, ever change.
Well, you learn something new every day. I had no idea that God had them wander around in the wilderness because he wanted to kill the Israelites! Here I thought they wandered the desert because of their hardened hearts towards God. I thought their refusal to trust and obey God was why they were in the wilderness? I think this isn't quite the same thing, Mr. Warren. The people who died in the wilderness refused to trust and follow God, it was their stubborn disobedience and distrust of God that kept them out of the promised land. But you're saying that even though they sincerely loved God and wanted to follow Him they needed to be killed off? Don't you think that is a little different than someone who has solid Biblical concerns with your teachings?
You're saying that anyone who doesn't agree with *your* vision for their church is in rebellion to God and essentially will never enter that promised land, simply because they don't share your vision? You're not quite Moses, Mr. Warren. Moses was bringing the Israelites out of slavery, he was the voice God used to deliver the people. God, through Moses, spoke words to the Israelites that would cause them to live peacefully, productively, healthfully, and most importantly, in a way that would cause all the nations to stop and wonder. The Word God gave Moses would, when followed in heart and deed, would bring glory to God. The Word given to the Israelites would set them apart from the world, there would be a major difference between God's people and the people of the world.
Yet you're calling us to go back into the world. To measure ourselves by the world's standards rather than by God's. You're calling us to be the same, show the lost that we're all the same as them, but we aren't! We're called to be seperate! We're called to seek first the will of our Father, but the way you talk it seems as if we're supposed to be more concerned with looking *cool* in the eyes of the world.
Well, Mr. Warren, if your promised land is all about numbers, being hip, and has very little to do with hungering for the Word and seeking God's glory above all, then I think I'll just hang out here in what you consider the wilderness. Better to live on the manna God sends than to fool myself into thinking that the chips and dip you offer is better when it is almost completely devoid of what I need to survive.