Wednesday, August 03, 2005

There is no right or wrong with the new gospel

This is an article I wrote about a week ago, it is available in PDF format at my website.

Are we the creators of our own destiny? Do we have the power to daily transform what the future holds, not only for ourselves, but for the entire world? What about the future the Bible speaks of, what about Armageddon and the one world government and the rise of the Anti-Christ? What of that? Can we really change the path humanity is on and stop what the Bible has clearly laid out for over two thousand years from happening?

Some people would have you think so. Some would have you believe that yes, we can all live in harmony if we all just put our minds to it. And that nobody is evil, not even Hitler himself, and if we would only realize the truth then we would be able to attain the peace we long for. Some people say there is a new gospel and that humanity is entering into a new “golden” age. They tell us that the old gospel is either obsolete or, depending on who you listen to, that it isn’t even from God at all. They come promising peace, love, happiness, and self serving divinity. “...and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many...” (Daniel 8:25)

Yet the Bible has warned us to test the spirits to see if they are of God or not (1 John 4:1). Again and again the Bible warns us that there are false teachers coming to deceive and that we are to be on the look out and not be deceived by their signs and miracles. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works” (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.” (Matthew 24:4-5)

Every aspect of divinity has co-creative control over its destiny. Therefore, you cannot kill a mosquito against its will. At some level, the mosquito has chosen that. All of the change in the universe occurs with the consent of the universe itself, in its various forms. The universe cannot disagree with itself. That is impossible. (FWG, pg. 371)

What do you think of that? It’s an interesting idea I suppose. That ultimately murderers only have the power to murder because their victims want to die? So, what does this “God” say about Hitler and the Holocaust then?

Walsch: Well, I’m going to have to ask the questions here that I know so many people are thinking and wanting to ask. How could a man like Hitler have gone to heaven? Every religion in the world...I would think every one, has declared him condemned and sent straight to hell.

“God”: First, he could not have gone to hell because hell does not exist. Therefore, there is only one place left to which he could have gone. But that begs the question. The real issue is whether Hitler’s actions were “wrong.” Yet I have said over and over again that there is no “right” or “wrong” in the universe. A thing is not intrinsically right or wrong. A thing simply is.

Now, your thought that Hitler was a monster is based on the fact that he ordered the killing of millions of people, correct?

Walsch: Obviously, yes.

“God”: Yet what if I told you that what you call “death” is the greatest thing that could happen to anyone - what then? (CWG Book 2, pg. 36)

So the first thing you have to understand - as I’ve already explained to you - is that Hitler didn’t hurt anyone. In a sense, he didn’t inflict suffering, he ended it. (CWG Book 2 pg. 56)

If you are a being who chooses to cut out a cancer within you in order to preserve your larger life form, then you will demonstrate that.(FWG, pg. 369)

By this reasoning, the Jews that died under Hitler’s thumb must have been aware on some level that their monotheistic views of God were causing them to be a “cancer” to society and that their deaths were what they wanted, because nobody likes cancer, so they submitted themselves to Hitler’s view for the world, because he must have had a greater vision for what the world should be than they did with their “sinful” view of God. Because, surely if they didn’t see themselves this way Hitler would have had no power over them.

On the same note, any innocent child playing that runs into the street after their ball and gets hit by a car must have been suicidal or they wouldn’t have ran into the street and even if they did the car would have had no power over them and wouldn’t have been able to cause them any harm.

What about the 8 months pregnant Lacy Peterson? According to this logic she must not have liked being alive, being pregnant, and must not have liked having her head and hands attached to her body. Because if she had enjoyed any of those things Scott Peterson would not have been able to kill her, remove her son from her womb, and proceed to dispose of the bodies in a way so horrifying that I care not to discuss it much further.

So the first thing you have to understand - as I’ve already explained to you - is that Hitler didn’t hurt anyone. In a sense, he didn’t inflict suffering, he ended it. (CWG Book 2 pg. 56)

Remove the name Hitler and insert Scott Peterson, he didn’t inflict suffering, he ended it according to Walsch’s “God.” According to A Course in Miracles, which Walsch sites in one of his conversations with “God,” “There is no sin; it has no consequence.” (Workbook, pg 183) “The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation.” (ACIM Text, pg 237)

Therefore, according to Walsch, his “God,” and people who push these shared beliefs Scott Peterson didn’t do anything wrong, and therefore we have no justification for putting him in jail or holding him accountable for his actions. After all, there is no right and there is no wrong. There is no sin. There is no evil.

“Walsch: But some people are basically evil. Some people are intrinsically bad.
‘God’: Who told you that?
Walsch: It is my own observation.
‘God’:Then you cannot see straight. I have said it to you before: No one does anything evil, given his model of the world.” (CWG, Book 2, pg 171)

Evil is whatever we want it to be, yet there is not really a right or wrong. There is no such thing as sin according to Walsch’s God. It should be noted that according to Barbara Hubbard’s “God,” there will be a selection process which “will exclude all who are exclusive. The selection process assures that only the loving will evolve to the stage of co-creator.” (Conscious Evolution Pg 303) By exclusive, I can only be led to believe that they are referencing anyone who doesn’t believe that they themselves are a god. I can only infer that they must be referring to anyone who holds a monotheistic view, whether that be Jews, Muslims, or Christians, it matters not because all of these people are “exclusive” and are a cancer to the evolution of humanity. And no surgeon would knowingly and willingly leave a cancerous cell in a body, cancer must be removed and eradicated if it can’t be “completely healed.” And this is what will happen with those who are exclusive and hold to their separatist ideals, a fiery trial awaits those who do not conform to the idea that we are all Christ.

Both their gods indicate that we are all actually gods, we just don’t realize it but there is an awakening of sorts going on and people are becoming more aware of their inner deity. Hubbard’s “God” says, “the fundamental regression is self-centeredness, or the illusion that you are separate from God. I ‘make war’ on self-centeredness. It shall surely be overcome. The child must become the adult. Human must become Divine.” (Conscious Evolution Pg 233)

The Bible tells us that this will be accepted, that though Jesus said that He “came in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” (John 5:43) Even some of those who had previously known the truth will be led astray by false teachers who come offering peace and great signs and “seducing spirits” (Matthew 24:24, 1 Timothy 4:1) but bring only destruction to the soul. They give the appearance of someone who can be trusted. Matthew 7:15 tells us, “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” They come offering peace, tolerance, and acceptance yet will do anything they can to conform you to their ideals. And if you do not conform you will be “removed violently” for the greater good of the body of humanity. In reality they offer false peace and acceptance only to those who believe what they believe, that there is no such thing as sin therefore we are not sinners, right and wrong is non existent, and that, in truth, we are all God.

The Bible tells us that there is indeed sin and that every one of us has sinned. This is a stark contrast to the “feel good” mentality of the “new gospel.”

‘God’: I tell you this: There is no evil!
Walsch: I wish that could be true.
‘God’: You are perfect, just as you are.
(CWG Book 2, Pg 31)

The only person that can say they lived a completely faultless life is Jesus Christ. He is the only person who is perfect; Romans 3:23 tells us, “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.”

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8, emphasis mine)

I’m a Christ, you’re a Christ, we’re all a Christ according to the “new gospel.” But what about it, was Jesus the Christ or are we all Christ? According to the “new gospel” and it’s “teachers” we are all our own Christ, that Jesus was one, Buddha was one, that all the great teachers were Christ. Simply put that they realized their own divinity, that there is not one Christ but many and they all lead to heaven. But that is in direct opposition with what God’s true word tells us (Matthew 24:4-5).

The Bible is explicitly clear, you must know and accept the Bible’s Jesus as your personal savior, He is the only way to heaven, the only way to salvation and a restored relationship with God. “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12) In fact, the Bible tells us the identity of those who would deny Jesus as the only Christ,“.. He is the antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1 John 2:22)

Sadly, it seems like there is nothing being said in the churches around America of the impending trials and persecution we as Christians will face. In John 16:1-3 Jesus tells the disciples, “These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.”

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. (Philippians 1:29)

We’ve got book clubs, skate clubs, men’s conferences, women’s luncheons, rock for the teens, and self help books for the preaching instead of the tried and true Bible. Yet there is nothing being said of the end times, no one talks about the Antichrist or the False Prophet, or the fact that millions and millions of people are being deceived and led into the fires of hell. There is no mention of the need of repentance, of Christ’s atonement for our sins; there is hardly any mention of the cross in many cases, if at all.

Rick Warren, in his book, Meditations on the Purpose Driven Life, makes no mention of sin in the book and at the end encloses his version of a sinners prayer. This prayer mentions sin exactly zero times, it makes no mention of a need of repentance (of course if you don’t talk about sin it makes it difficult to explain why one would need to repent of anything), but it does mention desires. The phrase “I want” is in the “prayer” seven times! In the prayer you don’t need Jesus, you want Him.

And this man is the spiritual leader of millions of people. He has guided thousands of people to their “purpose in life” without ever seeming to need mentioning that people are sinners by nature and without true repentance and belief that Christ died on the cross for our sins. How is it that thousands of churches across America, and indeed the world, can so blindly follow someone who doesn’t want to offend any one with the mention of their sin? How can we be so easily deceived? We follow promises of prosperity and healing and blessing, never looking to see that these teachings often ignore what Jesus told us.

We’re suppose to be on the look out, warning everyone we can and leading them to the only one who can save their souls, Jesus Christ. But, it seems as if that’s not what is going on. We are so consumed with feeling good, and achieving our dreams that we’ve lost the vision Christ gave us for the future. He told us time and time again to test the spirits and not follow every movement that comes saying the name of Christ. Rather we are to take the teachings presented and line them up next to God’s true word and if the teaching doesn’t completely line up we are to put it away from us and follow it not. It seems like the churches are more interested in solving today’s problems and making everyone happy and keeping everyone busy than preparing their members for the future.

They aren’t being strengthened in their faith, and their knowledge of scripture consists only of what they hear from their preacher of choice says. People it seems have lost the ability or the desire to discern and follow the true teachings of Christ.

And to make matters worse these same preachers, intentionally or unintentionally doesn’t matter, are bending to the whims of the unbeliever and catering to their desires and worldly perceptions, trying to seem friendly and non-judgmental and accepting, all to get church membership up rather than giving the truth.

We are sinners, without Jesus Christ we cannot know God or have a relationship with Him, and if we choose Him we are to pick up our crosses, follow Him and deny worldly lusts (Titus 2:12). And it is in following Him that we will in all likelihood have to choose between eternal life with the God who loves our souls or temporary acceptance from those who only will accept us if we conform to what their desire for the future is. And it is my sincere prayer that all would rightfully choose to be willing to loose his life here and follow Christ into eternity. Watch the world, study His word, prepare yourself so that your faith would stand through the storms that come. The storms are coming, which means every day we are closer to Christ’s long awaited glorious return.

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2)

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” (Revelation 22:12, emphasis mine)


Fool said...

Well Kristina,

you believe what you want to believe. One thing is sure, you are never going to read or hear anything anywhere but what you want to read or hear.

Jesus as I know him, did not resurrect because he died on the cross. He resurrected through an act of God's grace and love when he finally comanded his spirit into God's Hands. You never will find God except through total surrender. Your ways are not God's ways as my ways are not God's ways. It also does not have to do so much with the concept of God I hold or the way I understand Him. It has simply to do with the complete surrender. As long as I hold back, God cannot be there in my mind or life, period. It is simply an action of mind, a single desire for the Father. And that is what Jesus taught: "Love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, thy soul, thy mind and thy neighbour as thyself."

Love - and thy neighbour as thyself. That says it all to me.

I could never really love evil or curelty. If that were the nature of me or you, than there would be no hope. If God would have that as my nature, sin as my nature, then there is no hope. How could a perfect God create sinful beings?

So the commandment of Jesus must refer to what I must truly be otherwise I could not do it. Everything else I see in my neighbour or myself must be something that is not there in the eyes of God or Jesus. So I obviously have to make a choice. Do I want to see with the eyes of Jesus or mine? The result of either of these two possibilities will be totally different. I would have to go against what I see, against my reason or common sense, because am I not totally justified that this person did this thing or is just a pain in the ass in my eyes. To overcome my attitude against someone who just can't make it right for me in anything he does, by the way he is or looks or whatever, I have to make a clear-cut decision to not follow my own judgement anymore but rather to love this person than to hate. That has to come from me. The more I am willing to love, let's say Hitler, the more I will see something loveable in him. Why? Love cannot see evil or something bad or unloveable. It simply cannot. So I learned that everything that speaks of evil or sin and would draw me back to hate and seek revenge or desire a God that would do the job for me, is just my own past catching up with me. As Jesus says, never look back. The past has tought me nothing. If I look to it I will experience a future just like it. God is only in the present. The future doesn't even exist. Another way to see this is that everything is an idea. Everything I experience in time and space is formed by an idea. It would have to be. Now, whose mind is it? And can there be ideas that are separate from this mind, is there something like a sequence of ideas that would make it impossible to access some ideas now? Well, of course not. But that is the way a human being thinks. In that he sees his identity and his death guaranteed. Again, that must be an idea.

So I can think the impossible and take on that identity and believe in it and inevitably get the result of it. Yes. That is what I call sin. It is a wrong perspective. It is not true but can have very real effects. Just look at pain. Doesn't it totally justify you in your idea of body identity, in your idea that you can be hurt. Yet God and the idea that you can be hurt are not reconcileable. That is why Jesus in Gethsemane got no answer. God does not know of fear or pain. He cannot understand pain and therefore not answer prayers like Jesus did in his agony. Only complete honesty and taking responsibility for my thoughts and actions, total surrender will do it.

I do not understand where in your thought system you would put Jesus telling you to heal the sick and raise the dead. Where does this statement, greater things will you do than I have done..., fit in? You are not going to tell me that you are capable of doing that, if you are not equal to Jesus, if you are not the Christ with him, if you are not the Son of God as he is, the one and only living Son of God, are you?

Where do you fit in Jesus praying in John 17:

"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. "(John 17:22-24)

Perfect in one? Maybe you are just mistaken? How could Hitler and Jesus be one or made one if Hitler were evil? Two opposing things cannot both be true or the truth would no more be truth. Hitler might have forgotten as I did. He might see himself differently, but that changes not the fact that Jesus still knows him as one with him and desires him only to return his mind to God where we are all light. Yet Jesus cannot overcome anyone's decision or he would be no more equal to us. He does not have more power. So he will wait till everyone has given back his mind to God. That is what he is teaching. Love thy God and thy neighbour... You are the light of the world with him.

Fool said...

I forgot one thing.
I am not sure I understand the statement

“God”: Yet what if I told you that what you call “death” is the greatest thing that could happen to anyone - what then?

I often are told what I think of "death" is actually life given the fact that I fear more than anything else actual contact with God and to let go of my identity with no reservation. I always want to compromise or choice. I never want to really give up my ideas unless the pain becomes to big. Obviously I am afraid of God, because I think somewhere that He represents my death. One thing is sure, there is either a God of love and all power and my ideas do not matter in any way, or my ideas are true and there can be no God whatsoever.

The other thing I also am not sure about.

If you are a being who chooses to cut out a cancer within you in order to preserve your larger life form, then you will demonstrate that.(FWG, pg. 369)

What did Jesus say? Cut out your eye if it leads you atray, cut off your hand if it leads you to sin...? In what way is that different than what is said in Walsh's book? I do not think that your conclusion is correct. Where do you get the association that the Jews would be malign and see themselves that way and therefore submitted themselves to Hitler? Is that what his book says?

The Course says simply you have all power, as Jesus did say of himself in Matthew. So, again, this must be true for you, too. Didn't he say also, "don't you know ye are Gods?"

You are all power and see what you decided to see. You cannot experience anything you did not choose. That goes for you. You are all power, you are the one mind. There is no world outside of YOUR mind. There are no Jews, there is no Hitler, there is no me, there is only you. It is you that is doing all of this. I know it does not seem to be that way and I am tempted constantly to deny that idea. Yet, I am given all power in Heaven and earth. I have to take responsibility and change my mind. There is no other way. In that idea Jesus is a perfect reflection of your whole mind to remember your inheritance. You decide and obviously would have to decide what you do with that idea, since you are in conflict with it.

Take care...

Kristina said...

"Well Kristina,

you believe what you want to believe. One thing is sure, you are never going to read or hear anything anywhere but what you want to read or hear."

If that were true I would not be doing the research I am involved in, this topic would not exisit, I never would have visited your blog, and I certainly wouldn't have taken the time to read and respond to your comments. I'm sorry you feel this way, but I do read and listen, but I know the truth and the truth allows me to reject things that are not of it.

"Love cannot see evil or something bad or unloveable. It simply cannot. So I learned that everything that speaks of evil or sin and would draw me back to hate and seek revenge or desire a God that would do the job for me, is just my own past catching up with me."

You have to deal with your past in order to move on, quite often God will bring us back to where we got off track, or bring someone to us from our past so that we can make peace with them or handle the situation the right way. I've learned this from personal experience.

Jesus spoke of sin and evil. Speaking of sin does not mean you are being cruel, or it shouldn't at any rate. Jesus loved the adulteress, but He still told her to stop sinning. He may have loved her as is, but He wasn't going to leave her there. But she had the choice to make, she had to either choose to go on as she was and eventually get stoned or choose to lay aside her flesh, lay aside her lustful desires and follow Him. You have to choose.

Now, the enemy will try to make you feel guilty about your past. God doesn't do that, but He does lovingly bring things up from your past to help you grow and heal and change. The enemy will condemn you, he will say things like "How could you do that? You're an awful person" and I could think of a million other ways he tries to decieve.

Talking about sin isn't something to be avoided, but done in love. You need to love the person, but you still have to point out to them when they are off track or they'll go right over the side of the cliff.

In reference to John 17:22-24

"Perfect in one? Maybe you are just mistaken? How could Hitler and Jesus be one or made one if Hitler were evil? Two opposing things cannot both be true or the truth would no more be truth."

Are you implying that Hitler was a follower of Christ? Because the Bible tells us to lay our desires aside, pick up our cross and follow Him. And to be thankful if we suffer for His name. The verse refers to true believers in Christ. Only they are Christ' co-heirs. The Bible clearly teaches that the future is already laid out, read the book of Revelation, it's just a matter of time before it all plays out. That is why it is so important for people to come to a true belief in Christ, because eventually the sheep and the goats shall be sifted and sorted and seperated. And that seperation will be more than awful.

Many today are being decieved, and it is my duty along with every other believer to call out to them. The Bible tells us to be watchmen and when we see the sword coming we are to sound the alarm so that all would have an oppertunity to be saved. (Ultimately, God knows who will indeed turn to Him, but we have a duity to reach out to all so that all will be able to make a decision.) If I don't sound the alarm I'm not loving my neighbor.

If you are a being who chooses to cut out a cancer within you in order to preserve your larger life form, then you will demonstrate that.(FWG, pg. 369)

What did Jesus say? Cut out your eye if it leads you atray, cut off your hand if it leads you to sin...?

If you follow the train of logic being used and referenced by Walsch and read the books you can see that there are always going to be those of us who will not believe that we are God. And if society is going to reach that perfection that his god is referencing, there can't be people like me. Walsch and his god reference other books, such as ACIM, which speak more openly and clearly about this topic. Barbara Hubbard's god says that he will make war on those who do not conform to these ideas and that they will be violently removed.

If you don't choose to stop being a cancer to society you will be cut out. Yes, Jesus told us to cut off our hand if it causes us to sin, but if you don't believe in sin why should anyone be cut off? If there is no evil in the world why should anyone be "violently removed"?

Fool said...

Hi Kristina,

I did say that you hear only what you want to hear not just about you. That goes for everyone. It is just a matter of cause and effect. Also with God, I can only hear him, if I want to hear him. I also will only hear what I want to hear.

How often did Jesus say, let those that hear hear, let those that see see? Obviously I can "listen" and hear absolutely nothing. I can "see" and see nothing at all. It has nothing to do with what I am doing. It is an attitude that either lets me hear and see or not. There is nothing in between and whatever I decide is based upon what I want.

I do not understand about what topic ACIM is speaking more openly. Also, what has ACIM and violence to do with each other? Society will never become perfect. It is purly an individual process that has nothing to do with any aggregation. What will you become in direct contact with God? You will recognize that you are created in His likeness.

I also think that I do have a different concept of sin than you, or that you did not really refer to the concept I introduced but were rather saying that sin is associated with doing. That cannot be, since before doing there is always a thought. The thought reflects a decision of the mind and is merely its effect. Doing cannot make me anything. It might bring me further away from the certainty that everthing starts and ends with what I think. Yet again, on whatever path I walk is decided by the mind. Therefore sin is of the mind. Paul in Romans 7 references to the idea that sin is our condition in space time. It is not what we do. It is deeper, it is us in our identity. "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin."

Being carnal is what being in sin is. In other words being separate from God which is not possible in reality but very real to any human being. It even says Adam fell into a deep sleep. Nowhere does it say that he did awaken yet.

Also, if God does not judge, then there can be no sin in His Kingdom.

Yet, I would be in sin, if I am not wholly joyous, when I judge or attack anything or host this false idea fo separation or simply hold grievances against anything. Again, with this I do not refer to any physical act for any physical act must per se be preceded by a thought process.

With some of the things you wrote I can go with you but other things do not reflect my experience at all.

I know that when I sincerely do the lessons of A Course In Miracles then I have an experience of God that has nothing to do with anything of this world. There is no path to God, no wright or wrong but only the total surrender to Him. Thy will be done. If I am not doing this, I am nothing. Therefore I cannot sin. This is fundamental to me, and I insist that there is a real subtlety in the way Jesus uses the concept of sin.

Yet I cannot solve the problem. It has to come from God. Yet in God all my concepts are desolved and are no more. God is a reality not to argue about but to experience.

I am sure I forgot some aspects of your letter.

Finally I say thank you and may the Peace of God be with you.